gjm comments on Anti-rationality quotes - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 17 April 2009 07:24:27PM 1 point [-]

I think, as I did before you stripped out a few of the quotations, that all this shows is that some eminent Christians (or pre-Christian authors regarded as authoritative by many Christians) had some badly broken ideas about curiosity. That's not terribly surprising. But it doesn't give much support for your claim that using reason to gain converts is as unappealing and dangerous to Christians as using "marketing" to gain converts is to rationalists. Most Christians now don't feel any particular obligation to agree with everything said by Spurgeon or Aquinas. Many Christians now don't feel any particular obligation to agree with everything allegedly said by Paul or Moses.

You have a good point. I still believe that reason is dangerous to Christianity. If I wanted to make a good argument, I would summarize the responses of the Catholic church to the upstart Enlightenment during roughly 1500-1800. I'm not going to do that. I had this list of quotes handy.

Modern Christianity has accommodated itself to reason; but it had to, and it damaged Christianity. Church attendance figures since 1900 (do not prove, but) support this view.

Comment author: gjm 17 April 2009 07:51:42PM *  1 point [-]

Oh, I quite agree that reason is dangerous to Christianity, as it is dangerous to all wrong things. What I'm not convinced of is (1) that Christians in general think reason is dangerous to Christianity, or (2) that using reason to gain converts involves any sort of corruption of Christianity, as using unreason to gain converts might involve a corruption of rationalism, or (3) that using reason to gain converts would have as strong a tendency to undermine Christianity as using unreason to gain converts would have for rationalism.

As I said in the comments to your post on marketing rationalism: almost everyone agrees, most of the time, that reason, most of the the time, is mostly a good thing. This is a profound asymmetry between defending rationalism with reason and defending Christianity with the Bible.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 17 April 2009 09:51:51PM 0 points [-]

Okay. I concede the asymmetry. Still a qualitative similarity.