buybuydandavis comments on George Orwell's Prelude on Politics Is The Mind Killer - Less Wrong

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Comment author: buybuydandavis 30 March 2012 06:10:44PM 3 points [-]

Every so often I get downvoted for something I consider completely noncontroversial, but with no comments to say what the objections are.

The general term for the kind of ideology Orwell is talking about is collectivism, and the epistemological error is methodological collectivism. Clearly nationalism is just not the right word, because he is not just talking about nations. Collectivism more accurately captures what he is talking about. If anyone has a more precise and accurate term, feel free to share.

Comment author: Vladimir_M 31 March 2012 01:34:36AM *  7 points [-]

I didn't downvote you, but my guess is that your comment came off as an attempt to push Randianism, or perhaps some other closely related ideology. I'm pretty sure that wasn't your intention, but the problem is that many such people are highly active on the internet, and "collectivism" happens to be a word that they use incessantly and which is not very common otherwise.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 01 April 2012 07:31:50AM 6 points [-]

So they were engaging in exactly the kind of nationalism Orwell describes. How fitting.

Comment author: Emile 01 April 2012 09:16:36PM 0 points [-]

...so would you say "collectivism" is a good term for describing them?

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 03 April 2012 12:34:28PM 4 points [-]

I've more often seen collectivism as an opposite to individualism: that is, a desire or tendency to work together in groups or to focus on the welfare of a group more than that of individuals in it, or in some cases a focus on preventing harm over maximizing freedom. Tribalism is better because it doesn't have any other meaning. Also, the tendency Orwell is talking about probably evolved during conflicts among hunter-gatherer tribes, but I have no citation for that.