TheOtherDave comments on George Orwell's Prelude on Politics Is The Mind Killer - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 01 April 2012 06:07:38PM 2 points [-]

Well, it shares with the U.S. Constitution (and many other constitutions) the property of being intended to keep certain values fixed over time, I suppose. Is that what you meant? I don't consider that a terribly strong similarity, but, sure.

Comment author: [deleted] 01 April 2012 08:16:07PM 3 points [-]

I find the US constitution remarkable in its sheer longevity, and how well-designed it was that it can still be used at this point in time. Compare and contrast with the French and Spanish consitutions throughout the XIXth and XXth centuries, which have been changing with every new regime. Sometimes with every new party. The Constitutions tended to be fairly detailed and restrictive, and not written with eternity in mind. I still used to prefer the latest versions of those because they tended to be explicitly Human Rights Compliant (TM), and found the Bill of Rights and the Amendments to be fairly incomplete and outdated in that regard. But it's been growing on me as of late.

Anyway, yes, the similarity I draw is that both are protocols and guidelines that are intended to outlast their creators far, far into the future, and still be useful to people much more intelligent and knowledgeable than the creators, to be applied to much more complex problems than the creators ever faced.

Comment author: CronoDAS 02 April 2012 10:19:12AM 1 point [-]

The U.S. constitution still has its problems (the Electoral College turned out to be a stupid idea, and the requirement that each state have equal representation in the Senate is also problematic), but it seems to have worked well enough...

Comment author: [deleted] 02 April 2012 11:43:34AM 1 point [-]

You'd expect the CEV's performance to be within those parameters. But I have one question: when can one decide to abolish either of those, and replace it with a new system entirely? Sometimes it is better to restart from scratch.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 03 April 2012 01:59:44AM 1 point [-]

This certainly isn't the time. The two problems CronoDAS mentioned are at most mildly annoying, it isn't worth destroying a powerful and useful Schelling point merely to fix them.