Eugine_Nier comments on George Orwell's Prelude on Politics Is The Mind Killer - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 03 April 2012 01:34:06AM 1 point [-]

Have you seen this post by Eliezer?

Comment author: [deleted] 03 April 2012 05:19:47AM *  3 points [-]

I think it is where I first came upon the random walk challenge to allegedly "observed" moral progress. I do think I upgraded the argument even in that basic post, please tell me if you disagree.

Also I think Eliezer was basically working to rescue the notion of moral progress because that is what he sees as "adding back up to normality". I disagree, I think normality is the futility of preserving your values or their coherently extrapolated successors. Finding a way to make something like "moral progress" real or even preserve currently held values would be a massive project comparable in difficulty and perhaps even importance to developing FAI (which is one potential solution to this problem). I find it telling he dosen't seem directly touch on the subject afterwards.

Comment author: wallowinmaya 03 April 2012 07:32:16AM *  2 points [-]

Yeah, I read the Metaethics Sequence twice so far, but I'm still not really convinced by it. Though that doesn't mean that I know of better metaethical theories than Eliezer's, I'm just confused and very uncertain so I would like to hear Konkvistador's arguments.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 04 April 2012 03:23:42AM 3 points [-]

I'm not really convinced by it either.