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31 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 April 2009 01:25AM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 April 2009 04:13:50PM 4 points [-]

Carey isn't quite as proficient at writing men as she is writing women

I would have been surprised if she was. Joscelin Verreuil also strikes me as being a projection of some facets of a man that a woman most notices, and not a man as we exist from the inside.

I have never known a man with a true female side, and I have never known a woman with a true male side, either as authors or in real life.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 17 April 2009 05:56:40PM *  13 points [-]

This perception seems far too easily biased by knowing the gender of the author. Does anyone know of blinded studies on determining the gender of an author based on how they write male vs. female characters? Lacking any hard evidence I am extremely skeptical of the effect being all that large.

A few notable female science fiction/fantasy authors wrote under male or gender-neutral names. There may be data that could be found from reactions to their work, but I wouldn't know where to start looking.

Comment author: AnneC 19 April 2009 12:59:32AM 8 points [-]

Look up James Tiptree Jr. (the pseudonym used by sf writer Alice Sheldon) for a great example of a female sf author who "passed" not only as male, but as manly (in the opinion of many men who read her work) until her true identity was revealed.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 19 April 2009 01:08:42AM 3 points [-]

I read a book by Tiptree and did not identify it as female, but neither did it give me any particular impression of manliness. Good data point though.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 April 2009 06:17:10PM 4 points [-]

Authors whose work reveals a deep enough understanding of their characters that you would say of them, "This goes beyond what I thought a man (woman) could understand of women (men)" are terribly exceeding rare. I'm not sure who the male conjugate of Jacqueline Carey might be.

Comment author: Desrtopa 01 November 2010 03:57:51AM 2 points [-]

At the risk of replying too late for any of the original interested parties to take notice, I've found the female characters in George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series to be particularly compelling.

I confess that I've never looked at the question in terms of an author displaying exceptional understanding of the opposite sex, but rather their ability to express insight into other people who are distinctly not them, but Martin's gotten rather high praise for his female (and male) characters from many sources, so perhaps some of them were looking at the issue in this light.

Comment author: CronoDAS 17 April 2009 06:39:56PM *  2 points [-]

She's Come Undone by the male author Wally Lamb has been praised for its utterly convincing portrayal of its female main character.

I've never read it.

Comment author: astray 17 April 2009 09:29:47PM 0 points [-]

I hear Memoirs of a Geisha has a good female lead written by a male author.