Eugine_Nier comments on Rationality Quotes April 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Ezekiel 01 April 2012 11:27:00PM 8 points [-]

Zach Wiener's elegant disproof:

Think of the strangest thing that's true. Okay. Now add a monkey dressed as Hitler.

(Although to be fair, it's possible that the disproof fails because "think of the strangest thing that's true" is impossible for a human brain.)

Comment author: Blueberry 02 April 2012 07:44:37AM 13 points [-]

It also fails in the case where the strangest thing that's true is an infinite number of monkeys dressed as Hitler. Then adding one doesn't change it.

More to the point, the comparison is more about typical fiction, rather than ad hoc fictional scenarios. There are very few fictional works with monkeys dressed as Hitler.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 03 April 2012 02:19:38AM 6 points [-]

Indeed, I posted this quote partially out of annoyance at a certain type of analysis I kept seeing in the MoR threads. Namely, person X benefited from the way event Y turned out; therefore, person X was behind event Y. After all, thinking like this about real life will quickly turn one into a tin-foil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorist.

Comment author: FiftyTwo 03 April 2012 09:52:54PM *  5 points [-]

Yes but in real life the major players don't have the ability to time travel, read minds, become invisible, manipulate probability etcetera, these make complex plans far more plausible than they would be in the real world. (That and conservation of detail.)

Comment author: Pavitra 05 April 2012 01:20:41PM 11 points [-]

In real life the major players are immune to mindreading, can communicate securely and instantaneously worldwide, and have tens of thousands of people working under them. You are, ironically, overlooking the strangeness of reality.

Conservation of detail may be a valid argument though.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 06 April 2012 03:46:42AM 4 points [-]

Conservation of detail may be a valid argument though.

Conservation of detail is one of the memetic hazards of reading too much fiction.

Comment author: gwern 04 April 2012 12:51:09AM 2 points [-]

Namely, person X benefited from the way event Y turned out; therefore, person X was behind event Y.

Which is exactly what MoR tells us to do to analyze it, is it not?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 04 April 2012 03:53:01AM 2 points [-]

That's still not a reason for assuming everyone is running perfect gambit roulettes.

Comment author: gwern 04 April 2012 02:04:50PM 0 points [-]

You can say that with a straight face after the last few chapters of plotting?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 06 April 2012 03:48:52AM 2 points [-]

Yes, I was referring to the theories that Dumbledore sabotaged Snape's relationship with Lilly so that the boy-who-lived (who hadn't even been born then) would have the experience of being bullied by his potions master.