TheOtherDave comments on Rationality Quotes April 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: J_Taylor 04 April 2012 09:49:03PM 7 points [-]

Your theory is much nicer than mine. Mine essentially amounts to people believing "I understand reality, your beliefs are scientifically justified, he endorses metaphysical hogwash." Further, at least since the days of the Vienna Circle, some scientifically-minded individuals have used 'metaphysics' as a slur. (I mean, at least some of the Logical Positivists seriously claimed that metaphysical terms were nonsense, that is, having neither truth-value nor meaning.)

I have read Yudkowsky discuss matters of qualia and free will. This site contains metaphysics, straight up. I assume that anyone who dismisses metaphysics is either dismissing folk-usage of the term or is taking too much pride in their models of reality (that latter part does somewhat match your stipulative explanation.)

(Oh, I'm not sure if your joke was intentional, but I still think it is funny that some possible humans would reject metaphysics for being 'models' which are too 'abstract', 'of higher-level', and not 'justified' given the current 'evidence'.)

Comment author: TheOtherDave 04 April 2012 10:52:10PM 0 points [-]

Agreed that Will's theory is nicer than yours. That said, with emphasis on "some," I think yours is true. Although the Christians I know are far more likely to use "religion" to refer to Christianity. (Still more so are the Catholics I know inclined to use "religion" to refer to Catholicism.)

Comment author: J_Taylor 04 April 2012 11:47:24PM 1 point [-]

I was just referring to some Protestants who will share such statements as "Christianity isn't a religion, it's a relationship" or "I hate religion too. That's why I believe in Jesus." Of course, most Protestants do not do this.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 04 April 2012 11:50:36PM 0 points [-]

Ah, I see. The Christians I know are more prone to statements like "Religion is important, because it teaches people about the importance of Jesus' love."