Random832 comments on Rationality Quotes April 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Random832 10 April 2012 08:18:35PM 4 points [-]

"public welfare codes for both "lazy" and "black" in the United States"

Taking your word on that, what "other critique of Obama's economic policies" are you imagining that would not have the same implications, unless you mean one that ignores public welfare entirely in favor of focusing on some other economic issue instead?

Comment author: TimS 11 April 2012 12:53:16AM *  1 point [-]

A political opponent of Obama might say:

Basic economics says that what you pay for, you get more of. Therefore, when you extend long-term unemployment benefits, you get more long-term unemployment.

or

The current tax rate is too far to the right on the Laffer curve

or

The health insurance purchase mandate is unprecedented, UnAmerican, and unConstitutional

edit: or

People who pay no net income tax (because of low income and earned income tax credits) are drains on American society

(end edit)

without me thinking that the political opponent was intending to invoke Obama's race in some way. None of these are actual quotes, but I think they are coherent assertions that disagree with Obama's economic or legal philosophy. Edit: I feel confident I could find actual quote of equivalent content.

Comment author: Random832 11 April 2012 12:54:44PM 1 point [-]

Of course, none of the ones you suggested are actually about public welfare, in the sense of the government providing supplemental income for people who are unable to get jobs to provide themselves adequate income. So what we have is not a code word, but rather a code issue.

Except the first one, but with how you framed it as "public welfare codes for..." I don't see how that one wouldn't have the same connotations.

Comment author: TimS 11 April 2012 01:14:41PM *  0 points [-]

Tl;dr: You have a good point, but we seem to be stuck with the historical context.


Unemployment benefits might qualify as public welfare. More tenuously, the various health insurance subsidies and expansions of Medicaid (government health insurance for the very poor) contained in "Obamacare."

But your point is well taken. The well has been poisoned by political talking points from the 1980s (e.g. welfare queen and the response from the left). I'll agree that there's no good reason for us to be trapped in the context from the past, but politicians have not tried very hard to escape that trap.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 21 April 2012 04:31:57AM -1 points [-]

Here is another example of my point that one can claim any criticism of Obama is racist if one is sufficiently motivated.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 April 2012 03:33:12AM 0 points [-]

The term "welfare president" has the advantage of not having a huge inferential distance (how many people know what a Laffer curve is?) and working as a soundbite.