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Comment author: MixedNuts 09 April 2012 03:24:07PM *  12 points [-]

On specificity and sneaking on connotations; useful for the liberal-minded among us:

I think, with racism and sexism and 'isms' generally, there's a sort of confusion of terminology.

A "Racist1" is someone, who, like a majority of people in this society, has subconsciously internalized some negative attitudes about minority racial groups. If a Racist1 takes the Implicit Association Test, her score shows she's biased against black people, like the majority of people (of all races) who took the test. Chances are, whether you know it or not, you're a Racist1.

A "Racist2" is someone who's kind of an insensitive jerk about race. The kind of guy who calls Obama the "Food Stamp President." Someone you wouldn't want your sister dating.

A "Racist3" is a neo-Nazi. You can never be quite sure that one day he won't snap and kill someone. He's clearly a social deviant.

People use the word "Racist" for all three things, and I think that's the source of a lot of arguments. When people get accused of being racists, they evade responsibility by saying, "Hey, I'm not a Racist3!" when in fact you were only saying they were Racist1 or Racist2. But some of the responsibility is on the accusers too -- if you say "That Republican's a racist" with the implication of "a jerk" and then backtrack and change the meaning to "vulnerable to unconscious bias", then you're arguing in bad faith. Never mind that some laws and rules which were meant to protect people from Racist3's are in fact deployed against Racist2's.

-celandine13

Comment author: cousin_it 12 April 2012 09:18:03AM 6 points [-]

Where would someone like Steve Sailer fit in this classification?

Comment author: GLaDOS 24 April 2012 04:16:10PM *  3 points [-]

Indeed as strange as it might sound (but not to those who know what he usually blogs about) Steve Sailer seems to genuinely like black people more than average and I wouldn't be surprised at all if a test showed he wasn't biased against them or was less biased than the average white American.

He also dosen't seem like racist2 from the vast majority of his writing, painting him as racist3 is plain absurd.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 24 April 2012 04:26:25PM 0 points [-]

Steve Sailer seems to genuinely like black people more than average

What evidence leads to this conclusion?

Comment author: Vaniver 24 April 2012 04:46:13PM 4 points [-]

He published his IAT results and he's proposed policies that play to the strengths of blacks.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 24 April 2012 05:46:10PM 1 point [-]

Historically, proposing policies that are set to help the specific strengths of a minority group are not generally indicative of actually positive feelings about those groups.

Comment author: Vaniver 24 April 2012 06:17:56PM *  6 points [-]

The IAT is the best measure of 'genuinely like X people' we have now, though that's not saying much. (I believe the only place he published it is VDare, which is currently down.)

Historically, proposing policies that are set to help the specific strengths of a minority group are not generally indicative of actually positive feelings about those groups.

What are the competing hypotheses and competing observations, here?

Comment author: [deleted] 25 April 2012 05:17:13PM 1 point [-]

The IAT is the best measure of 'genuinely like X people' we have now

...for a particular value of genuine. (See this, BTW.)

Comment author: Vaniver 25 April 2012 07:43:55PM *  1 point [-]

It seems to me the natural interpretation for "genuine" is "unconscious," and if that post is relevant, it seems that it argues for more relative importance for the IAT over stated positions and opinions.