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Yeees... though I'm not sure how 'normal' it was, it could be mainly group effects.
I can only extrapolate from a single point, and "there isn't anything I find even the tiniest bit tempting about nailing the skins of Yermy Wibble's family to a newsroom wall". Sadistically killing a 'not real' game character can be fun, but if I try to imagine doing the same to a 'sufficiently real' character, like uploaded person, then it... doesn't work.
What does this distinction mean? A normal person in those groups would commit torture, and there's no such thing as a 'normal person' completely abstracted from 'group effects'; a Homo sapiens without memes isn't really a person.
For large numbers of people to abhor torture as much as we do is a bizarre (from a historical POV) recent phenomenon, AFAIK.
Group effects (peer pressure, authority, etc) apparently can easily override personal values in humans' corrupted hardware.
I am not sure you're right about historical POV. I don't think high primates deliberately torture each other for fun. I can be wrong, though...
So you're claiming that there is a difference between "group effects" and "personal values". I'm highly dubious.