pedanterrific comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 14, chapter 82 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: pedanterrific 11 April 2012 01:43:16AM 15 points [-]

I admit I'm kind of surprised. You thought you could have Quirrell give Harry a spelled-indestructible diary for no apparent reason and that wouldn't be a red herring?

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 12 April 2012 07:45:14AM *  8 points [-]

As I've said recently I think Eliezer severely overestimates the readiness of people to let go of perceived patterns.

The indestructible diary was meant by Eliezer to be a red herring for the duration of a couple paragraphs, until the readers were told it was the diary of Roger Bacon, not Tom Riddle. At which point, I suppose readers were supposed to smile at themselves for being deceived.

But of course readers just pattern-matched "indestructible diary" to "super-significant plot-point and Horcrux" and wouldn't let go.

Comment author: Salivanth 14 April 2012 03:24:32AM 5 points [-]

Similar to this is Quirrel's mannerisms at the very start of his first class, meant to get you to think he'll be the typical Quirrel before he bursts into a confident diatribe, but people have speculated on that one, too.

Comment author: MugaSofer 18 August 2012 02:43:13AM 2 points [-]

For the record, it never occurred to me it could be Riddle's diary, and yet I assumed it was a horcrux because it was indestructible. I was probably pattern-matching with the Pioneer probe, which Quirrelmort also said he had spelled to be indestructible and this was, indeed, a Clue that it was a horcrux.

Also, in canon, a horcrux can possess you if you become emotionally attached to it. The diary seemed calculated to become a prized possession of Harry's, and that when Harry learned Latin he could well be in for a nasty shock...

Perhaps I should have updated when it was never mentioned again. Hmm.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 May 2012 03:33:12PM 2 points [-]

As for myself, I quite liked the inclusion of Roger Bacon's diary as part of the background. Though it did lead me to expect a bit more information on 'leakage' between the magical and mundane worlds.

Comment author: thomblake 02 May 2012 03:56:18PM 1 point [-]

The indestructible diary was meant by Eliezer to be a red herring for the duration of a couple paragraphs, until the readers were told it was the diary of Roger Bacon, not Tom Riddle.

Even that's strange though. I didn't seriously entertain the thought that it was Tom Riddle's diary or a horcrux. And then it being Roger Bacon's attempts to apply science to magic was super-awesome - it was sort of a Chekhov's Gun and I kept expecting Harry to gain some sort of insight or initial boost or secret knowledge from reading it.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 May 2012 01:51:22AM 1 point [-]

That's probably a fair analysis.

Comment author: summerstay 02 May 2012 06:11:29PM 0 points [-]

I was thinking the same thing. The things he thinks should be obvious by now (such as the quirrel/voldemort connection) ought to be made explicit in an appropriate point-of-view so we can puzzle over the things that he wants the reader to be puzzling over.