ABrooks comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 14, chapter 82 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 13 April 2012 07:51:08PM 1 point [-]

Privileging the hypothesis of a meaningful afterlife rather than Occam's razor that it doesn't exist or it is the same as ghosts and photographs.

Okay, against an opponent who says that death is good because there is a good afterlife, I can see how this one would work. That's not an argument that death is bad, of course, or clearly an argument against 'accepting death' (whatever JKR meant by that), but it's progress. The chapter itself doesn't mention death at all though.

The mechanisms by which religion and other sadistic beliefs can spread.

And your thought is that it's 'sadistic beliefs' that teach that death is not bad? Why does explaining these mechanisms show that death is bad? I'm afraid this seems very indirect to me.

the scientific method...Bayes theorem

Do I really need to explain this one?

Yes, that one especially, if you have the time and inclination. I recognize that I'm imposing on you here.

Useful for having the patient to investigate and hold off on conclusions (which lead to confirmation bias & backfire effects - you missed those).

The question was, 'how does this relate to the thesis that death is bad'? I mean, if we think death is bad, then in some sense we could take any good epistemic principle as relating to that thesis, insofar as good epistemic principles relate to true beliefs. Is this as direct as we can get?

Comment author: gwern 13 April 2012 08:36:28PM 1 point [-]

The chapter itself doesn't mention death at all though....I'm afraid this seems very indirect to me.

Education frequently is indirect. If you want direct statements, you wouldn't be reading MoR, you'd be... well, here, reading LW articles and stuff. Not everything is directly relevant, of course; for example, we could view Harry negotiating with the Sorting Hat as isomorphic to negotiating with an Omega in various precommitment scenarios devised for discussing the advanced decision theories like UDT/TDT. Is this directly relevant to arguing against theism and deathism and pro-agism? Not that I can think of.

The question was, 'how does this relate to the thesis that death is bad'? I mean, if we think death is bad, then in some sense we could take any good epistemic principle as relating to that thesis, insofar as good epistemic principles relate to true beliefs. Is this as direct as we can get?

Is that such a bad thing? If good epistemic principles don't lead to true beliefs, then that would make MoR more propaganda than anything...

Comment author: [deleted] 13 April 2012 09:39:54PM 1 point [-]

Fair enough. Thanks for taking the time.