CarlShulman comments on Cryonics without freezers: resurrection possibilities in a Big World - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Will_Newsome 05 April 2012 11:59:36PM *  7 points [-]

prevent all the empty galaxies from going to waste

(Off-topic: Is this a decision theoretic thing or an epistemic thing? That is, do you really think the stars are actually out there to pluck in a substantial fraction of possible worlds, or are you just focusing on the worlds where they are there to pluck because it seems like we can't do nearly as much if the stars aren't real? Because I think I've come up with some good arguments against the latter and was planning on writing a post about it; but if you think the former is the case then I'd like to know what your arguments are, because I haven't seen any really convincing ones. (Katja suggested that the opposite hypothesis—that superintelligences have already eaten the stars and are just misleading us, or we are in a simulation where the stars aren't real—isn't a "simple" hypothesis, but I don't quite see why that would be.) What's nice about postulating that the stars are just an illusion is that it means there probably isn't actually a great filter, and we aren't left with huge anthropic confusions about why we're apparently so special.)

Comment author: CarlShulman 19 April 2012 01:27:48AM 3 points [-]

or are you just focusing on the worlds where they are there to pluck because it seems like we can't do nearly as much if the stars aren't real? Because I think I've come up with some good arguments against the latter

Let's hear them.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 19 April 2012 02:24:41AM 2 points [-]

Forthcoming in the next year or so, in my treatise on theology & decision theory & cosmology & moral philosophy, which for better or worse I am going to write in English and not in Latin.

But anyway, I'll say now that my arguments don't work for utilitarians, at least for preference utilitarianism the way it's normally considered. Even if the argument's valid it still probably doesn't sway people who are using e.g. the parliamentary meta-moral system and who give much weight to utilitarian intuitions.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 April 2012 02:33:48AM 3 points [-]

which for better or worse I am going to write in English and not in Latin.

Oh thank all the gods of counterfactual violence.