wedrifid comments on Complexity based moral values. - Less Wrong

-6 Post author: Dmytry 06 April 2012 05:09PM

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Comment author: shminux 07 April 2012 04:55:35AM 0 points [-]

I don't understand why this post and some of Dmytry's comments are downvoted so hard. The idea might be far-fetched, but certainly not crazy, self-contradictory or obviously false.

My personal impression has been that emotions are a result of a hidden subconscious logical chain, and can be affected by consciously following this chain, thus reducing this apparent complexity to something simple. The experiences of others here seem to agree, from Eliezer's admission that he has developed a knack for "switching off arbitrary minor emotions" to Alicorn's "polyhacking".

It is not such a big leap to suggest that our snap moral judgments likewise result from a complex, or at least hidden, subconscious reasoning.

Comment author: wedrifid 07 April 2012 08:31:30AM *  7 points [-]

I don't understand why this post and some of Dmytry's comments are downvoted so hard.

I'm going with the position that the post got the votes that it deserved. It's not very good thinking and Dmytry goes out of his way to convey arrogance and condescension while he posts. It doesn't help that rather than simply being uninformed of prior work he explicitly belligerently defies it - that changes a response of sympathy with his efforts and 'points for trying' to an expectation that he says stuff that makes sense. Of course that is going to get downvoted.

The idea might be far-fetched, but certainly not crazy, self-contradictory or obviously false.

It isn't self-contradictory, just the other two.

Seriously, complexity maximisation and "This also aligns with what ever it is that the evolution has been maximizing on the path leading up to H. Sapiens." That is crazy and obviously false.

It is not such a big leap to suggest that our snap moral judgments likewise result from a complex, or at least hidden, subconscious reasoning.

Of course that is true! But that isn't what the post says. There is a world of difference between "our values are complex" and "we value complexity".

Comment author: Dmytry 07 April 2012 12:28:30PM 0 points [-]

Netting zero average, though i guess pointing that out is not a very good thing for votes.

Comment author: wedrifid 07 April 2012 12:30:18PM 0 points [-]

Netting zero average, though i guess pointing that out is not a very good thing for votes.

I don't understand what you are trying to convey.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 07 April 2012 01:40:31PM 1 point [-]

I understood it to mean that comments about karma tend to get downvoted.