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Comment author: kalla724 12 April 2012 07:06:09AM 4 points [-]

The general answer is yes. See, for instance, Pearson et al. Curr Biol. 2008 18(13):982-6; Sherwood and Pearson PLoS One. 2010 5(12):e15217; and Byrne et al. Psychol Rev. 2007 114(2):340-75.

Synaptic strength (if I understand your question correctly), especially in relation to deliberate practice...that is more difficult to figure out. I'm not aware of any particular research on that topic (and it would be hellishly difficult to do). Whether (and if so, how much) visualization-gained improvements are transferable to real-world skills is also controversial.

I'll indulge in one paragraph of guesswork here. Extrapyramidal centers (such as spine, basal ganglia, cerebellum) appear excluded during visualization exercises. Say you are visualizing a martial arts kata, and say that visualization does produce potentiation. Even in this case, all of the changes would be limited to the premotor area and the primary motor cortex - areas that are critical for actual movement execution (especially cerebellum, balance centers in the brainstem and spinal centers) would be unaffected. Worse, the changes in the high-level centers would be made without corrective input. When kata is then attempted in real life, these idealized neural plans might slam nose-first into unexpected feedback responses - therefore making things worse, not better. For this reason, I would personally eschew visualization as a training modality in any actual physical skill.

Comment author: Swimmer963 12 April 2012 01:42:00PM 4 points [-]

I think you're probably right that visualization doesn't work very well if used alone, and doesn't work as well as executing the movements themselves, but there are a lot of situations where it makes sense to visualize something instead of actually doing it–and this seems to at least help.

For example, recently I had to teach myself the poomsae (taekwondo equivalent of kata) for my next belt testing by watching Youtube videos the night before. It obviously didn't work for me to stand in front of the computer screen and do all of the movements–any move that took me sideways or backwards would result in me no longer being able to see the screen, and thus not knowing my next move. So I sat in a chair and visualized as hard as I could as I watched, making small movements with my hands and feet to represent kicks and punches, but imagining myself doing the whole movement. After 5 or 6 repetitions, I was able to stand up and go through the whole sequence in my living room, using my whole body.

Likely this worked because I already knew a whole bunch of basic moves, which were included in the poomsae, and just had to string them together in a new order, with transitions in between. (And even for the transitions, I've probably done almost every transition from one move to another at least once before 'in real life.')

I think a lot of athletes use visualization because, well, it's not practical (or even possible) to train all the time. Your muscles have limits. Even if you don't reach those limits, the training time booked on the rink or in the pool or whatever is limited. So you get the most out of it that you can, and then you take advance of "downtime", which would otherwise be useless to training (i.e. sitting on public transit on the way home) to visualize. I don't know if anyone'd done a study of this, but for athletes who are already training a lot, I expect doing some extra visualization on top of it helps.

Comment author: kalla724 12 April 2012 10:59:28PM 1 point [-]

This is possible, but I'm completely unfamiliar with any research on the topic, if there is any. That last paragraph of my comment above is pure guesswork, and I would love to see some data, if anyone can dig some out...

Comment author: arberg 24 April 2012 09:08:01PM 0 points [-]

I remember some research indicating that muscles could be made to grow by just visualizing muscle workout, without any actual muscle movements. Its not quite the same to make muscles grow as to make (karate) movements more precise by visualizations. I would however have thought the muscle growth hypothesis much more unlikely than the karate training.

I do not have any references, and have no knowledge of the quality of the research done.

Comment author: wedrifid 24 April 2012 09:20:03PM 0 points [-]

I think a lot of athletes use visualization because, well, it's not practical (or even possible) to train all the time. Your muscles have limits. Even if you don't reach those limits, the training time booked on the rink or in the pool or whatever is limited. So you get the most out of it that you can, and then you take advance of "downtime", which would otherwise be useless to training (i.e. sitting on public transit on the way home) to visualize. I don't know if anyone'd done a study of this, but for athletes who are already training a lot, I expect doing some extra visualization on top of it helps.

They have. It works much as you hypothesize. The Cambridge Handbook of Expertise and Expert Performance had a couple of chapters on it if I recall.