gwern comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 15, chapter 84 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 11 April 2012 09:36:03PM 5 points [-]

In Methods of Rationality, the Weasley twins refer to the Map as being part of the Hogwarts security system. So it probably gets the information from the wards.

My interpretation of the quote is that the Headmaster overrode the usual process of identification (which is automatic) in order to protect Quirrell's privacy; in that case, the Map would also know nothing beyond "The Defense Professor".

An alternative interpretation, however, is that the circle-drawing bit was only meant to key Quirrell into the wards as a professor. Normally, I suppose, this would be done by something like "I, Headmaster of Hogwarts, declare Quirinus Quirrell to be the Professor of Defense Against the Dark Arts! So mote it be!" In this case, Quirinus Quirrell was a false name, and Dumbledore knew this, so he used an alternative process that doesn't require a name.

Comment author: gwern 11 April 2012 11:30:43PM 2 points [-]

In Methods of Rationality, the Weasley twins refer to the Map as being part of the Hogwarts security system. So it probably gets the information from the wards.

Yes; remember that they speculate it was made by Salazar himself, and remember in ch43 Quirrel independently says:

Professor Quirrell sipped from his own waterglass again. "Well then, Mr. Potter, I shall freely tell you what I know or suspect. First, I believe the Chamber of Secrets is real, as is Slytherin's Monster. Miss Myrtle's death was not discovered until hours after her demise, even though the wards should have alerted the Headmaster instantly. Therefore her murder was performed either by Headmaster Dippet, which is unlikely, or by some entity which Salazar Slytherin keyed into his wards at a higher level than the Headmaster himself.

The twins never mention in canon seeing the Basilisk on the map.

(Salazar seems to have specialized in security - one of his other talents was being a Legilimens.)

Comment author: Desrtopa 12 April 2012 01:22:24AM 4 points [-]

The twins never mention in canon seeing the Basilisk on the map.

That would have borked the plot, and it's entirely probable that Rowling hadn't even come up with the Marauder's Map by then.

In MoR canon it probably makes more sense if it doesn't show up on it though; the whole Chamber of Secrets certainly doesn't.