Velorien comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 15, chapter 84 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gwern 12 April 2012 03:19:37PM 0 points [-]

We have no canon examples of a person using a Vanishing Charm to make something disappear and come back later.

We don't have canon examples of a lot of things.

Which is more likely, that the Vanished animals follow the trends already observed for all the related magics, or that Rowling makes an exception for the animals and Hogwarts is a charnelhouse?

Comment author: Velorien 12 April 2012 04:33:06PM *  0 points [-]

We don't have canon examples of a lot of things.

But we have an explicit canon statement by a recognised authority in the spell school in question. That should trump guesses based on inferred similarities between different instances of different spells.

Which is more likely, that the Vanished animals follow the trends already observed for all the related magics, or that Rowling makes an exception for the animals and Hogwarts is a charnelhouse?

Given that

1) the trends you cite are only there if we assume that every instance of something disappearing uses identical magical mechanisms to the Vanishing Charm

and

2) Rowling appears to have no conception of non-sentients' rights whatsoever (cf. Transfiguring hedgehogs into pincushions, some of which still quiver in fear when faced with pins)

I believe the balance of evidence favours the "charnelhouse" claim. To clarify, I don't believe that Rowling makes an exception for the animals: whatever magical effects apply elsewhere, the specific spell known as the Vanishing Charm is intended to make its target enter "non-being" and permanently disappear.

Comment author: gwern 12 April 2012 05:22:20PM 1 point [-]

But we have an explicit canon statement by a recognised authority in the spell school in question.

No. You do not.

I believe the balance of evidence favours the "charnelhouse" claim.

I'm bowing out here. If you really care, as opposed to want to have a cool contrarian belief about Harry Potter, I suggest asking Rowling.