Nick_Tarleton comments on My main problem with utilitarianism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 18 April 2009 04:52:11PM 0 points [-]

Read what I said: "preference-satisfaction is... a value", not "preferences are values". The point is that the extent to which people's preferences are satisfied is just as objective a property of a situation as the amount of complexity present.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 20 April 2009 02:57:12PM *  0 points [-]

The point is that the extent to which people's preferences are satisfied is just as objective a property of a situation as the amount of complexity present.

The preferences can be anything. If I claim that complexity should be one of the preferences, for me and for everyone, that's an objective claim - "objective" in the sense "claiming an objective value valid for all observers, rather than a subjective value that they can choose arbitrarily". It's practically religious. It's radically different from saying "people satisfy their preferences".

"The extent to which people's preferences are satisfied" is an objective property of a situation. But that has nothing to do with what I said; it's using a different meaning of the word "objective".

Comment author: timtyler 18 April 2009 06:56:51PM 0 points [-]

Trying for a sympathetic interpretation - I /think/ you must be talking about the preferences of a particular individual, or an average human - or something like that.

In general, preference-satisfaction is not specific - in the way that maximising complexity is (for some defined metric of complexity) - because the preferences could be any agent's preferences - and different agents can have wildly different preferences.

Comment author: conchis 18 April 2009 08:06:24PM *  0 points [-]

the preferences could be any agent's preferences

Preference-satisfaction in this context is usually considered as an aggregate (usually a sum or an average) of the degree to which all individuals' preferences are satisfied (for some defined metric of satisfaction).

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 18 April 2009 09:28:03PM 0 points [-]

The preferences of the people in the situation being evaluated.