Will_Newsome comments on Be Happier - Less Wrong

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Comment author: steven0461 16 April 2012 12:26:08AM *  20 points [-]

This may be paranoid of me, but I'm always worried that when posts like this use the word "you", people will read it as "you", when they should be reading it as "the average person, who is similar to you to some extent (e.g. in possessing such brain machinery as is humanly universal), and whose properties inform you about your own properties to a degree that depends on background information".

Comment author: Will_Newsome 16 April 2012 05:05:01AM 8 points [-]

E.g., I've seen a few studies purporting that "high intelligence" (which IIRC meant like 1.5 SD above average SAT scores) provides substantial protection against common cognitive biases. Yet I've never seen anyone take this into account when discussing "de-biasing".

Comment author: steven0461 16 April 2012 05:09:19AM 3 points [-]

How would you take that into account? Does high intelligence provide more protection against some biases than others? Can we isolate what aspect of high intelligence provides the protection, and amplify that aspect?

Comment author: Will_Newsome 16 April 2012 05:25:24AM 0 points [-]

I personally wouldn't take it into account at all, because it's H&B research, i.e., untrustworthy and irrelevant to rationality, and also I do not condone trying to "de-bias" oneself. (Pretty sure the H&B consensus agrees with me on the dubious nature of "de-biasing", anyone know if I'm wrong?) Lukeprog might have answers to your questions, IIRC he's the one who sent me the papers in question.

Comment author: steven0461 16 April 2012 05:33:31AM *  3 points [-]

Would you condone trying to de-bias oneself if you thought the research was trustworthy and relevant? That is, do you see an extra reason on top of those reasons not to engage in de-biasing?

Comment author: Will_Newsome 16 April 2012 10:33:33AM *  2 points [-]

That is, do you see an extra reason on top of those reasons not to engage in de-biasing?

Yes, the first law of ecology (also known in another aspect as Chesterton's fence). There are exceptions but those exceptions only apply to people with abnormally accurate self models.

Comment author: MichaelVassar 17 April 2012 05:02:05AM 5 points [-]

Why expect unintended consequences to oppose ones preferences? The biases weren't created by processes that cared about your preferences.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 17 April 2012 09:20:48AM *  7 points [-]

Why expect unintended consequences to oppose ones preferences? The biases weren't created by processes that cared about your preferences.

Yeah, but our preferences were caused by the same thing as our biases, right? At the very least, shouldn't we expect our preferences to be highly entangled with our biases because of their common origin?