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Comment author: nshepperd 26 April 2012 06:55:17AM 0 points [-]

I see. Then you do not mean that

pleasure is the "measure of utility". That is; utility is pleasure; pleasure is utility.

is the consensus view here at LW. Since after all, the consensus view here is that wireheading is a bad idea.

Comment author: Logos01 26 April 2012 07:39:24AM 0 points [-]

Then you do not mean that

pleasure is the "measure of utility". That is; utility is pleasure; pleasure is utility.

Eudaimonic pleasure -- happiness -- is of a nature that wireheading would not qualify as valid happiness/pleasure. It would be like 'empty calories'; tasty but unfulfilling.

So no, I do not not mean that 'pleasure is the "measure of utility"' is the mainstream consensus view on LessWrong. I do mean that, and I believe it to be so. "Hedons" and "utilons" are used interchangeably here.

Comment author: nshepperd 26 April 2012 01:00:01PM *  2 points [-]

So you do not mean that LWers hold that pleasure (by which I mean the standard definition) is the measure of utility, and that these people would wirehead and are therefore wrong.