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Comment author: Grognor 14 April 2012 10:12:31PM *  13 points [-]

I think of them (and certain others) as exceptions that prove the rule. If you take away the foundation of the sequences and the small number of awesome people (most of whom, mind you, came here because of Eliezer's sequences), you end up with a place that's indistinguishable from the programmer/atheist/transhumanist/etc. crowd, which is bad if LW is supposed to be making more than nominal progress over time.

Standard disclaimer edit because I have to: The exceptions don't prove the rule in the sense of providing evidence for the rule (indeed, they are technically evidence contrariwise), but they do allow you to notice it. This is what the phrase really means.

Comment author: [deleted] 14 April 2012 10:30:00PM 3 points [-]

Your edit updated me in favour of me being confused about this exception-rule business. Can you link me to something?

Comment author: Grognor 14 April 2012 10:32:22PM *  5 points [-]

"The exception [that] proves the rule" is a frequently confused English idiom. The original meaning of this idiom is that the presence of an exception applying to a specific case establishes that a general rule existed.

-Wikipedia (!!!)

(I should just avoid this phrase from now on, if it's going to cause communication problems.)

Comment author: komponisto 16 April 2012 02:36:43AM *  2 points [-]

I suspect the main cause of misunderstanding (and subsequent misuse) is omission of the relative pronoun "that". The phrase should always be "[that is] the exception that proves the rule", never "the exception proves the rule".

Comment author: thomblake 16 April 2012 08:42:35PM 1 point [-]

Probably even better to just include "in cases not so excepted" at the end.