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Comment author: Bugmaster 15 April 2012 08:14:30AM 4 points [-]

The point isn't to agree with the stuff, but to be familiar with it

nyan_sandwich said that the Sequences contain not merely arguments, but knowledge. This implies a rather high level of agreement with the material.

The point isn't to agree with the stuff, but to be familiar with it, with standard arguments that the Sequences establish.

I agree, but:

If you tried to talk advanced mathematics/philosophy/whatever with people, and didn't know the necessary math/philosophy/whatever, people would tell you some equivalent of "read the sequences".

I am perfectly fine with that, as long as they don't just say, "read all of the Sequences and then report back when you're ready", but rather, "your arguments have already been discussed in depth in the following sequence: $url". The first sentence merely dismisses the reader; the second one provides useful material.

Comment author: David_Gerard 15 April 2012 09:03:08AM 3 points [-]

nyan_sandwich said that the Sequences contain not merely arguments, but knowledge. This implies a rather high level of agreement with the material.

Yesss ... the sequences are great stuff, but they do not reach the level of constituting settled science.

They are quite definitely settled tropes, but that's a different level of thing. Expecting familiarity with them may (or may not) be reasonable; expecting people to treat them as knowledge is rather another thing.