Alsadius comments on Our Phyg Is Not Exclusive Enough - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Grognor 14 April 2012 09:41:29PM *  4 points [-]

Upvoted.

I agree pretty much completely and I think if you're interested in Less Wrong-style rationality, you should either read and understand the sequences (yes, all of them), or go somewhere else. Edit, after many replies: This claim is too strong. I should have said instead that people should at least be making an effort to read and understand the sequences if they wish to comment here, not that everyone should read the whole volume before making a single comment.

There are those who think rationality needs to be learned through osmosis or whatever. That's fine, but I don't want it lowering the quality of discussion here.

I notice that, in topics that Eliezer did not explicitly cover in the sequences (and some that he did), LW has made zero progress in general. This is probably one of the reasons why.

An IRC conversation I had a while ago left me with a powerful message: people will give lip service to keeping the gardens, but when it comes time to actually do it, nobody is willing to.

Comment author: Alsadius 15 April 2012 03:46:55PM 0 points [-]

Demanding that people read tomes of text before you're willing to talk to them seems about the easiest way imaginable to silence any possible dissent. Anyone who disagrees with you won't bother to read your holy books, and anyone who hasn't will be peremptorily ignored. You're engaging in a pretty basic logical fallacy in an attempt to preserve rationality. Engage the argument, not the arguer.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 April 2012 04:07:05PM 7 points [-]

Expecting your interlocutors to have a passing familiarity with the subject under discussion is not a logical fallacy.

Comment author: Alsadius 15 April 2012 06:14:33PM 0 points [-]

There's ways to have a passing familiarity with rational debate that don't involve reading a million words of Eliezer Yudkowsky's writings.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 April 2012 06:40:35PM 0 points [-]

That has nothing to do with whether or not something you believe to be a logical fallacy is or is not.