gjm comments on Intelligence Explosion vs. Co-operative Explosion - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gjm 17 April 2012 03:02:15PM 7 points [-]

Yes, it's plausible that we're talking about different distinctions. But even in the range 145-160 I am very, very unconvinced that using fewer parens is a good sign of intelligence. Perhaps you have some actual evidence? Unfortunately, people with an IQ of 160 are scarce enough that it'll probably be difficult to distinguish a real connection from a spurious one where it just happens that the smartest people are also being careful about writing style.

(Increasingly contemptuous of your too-drunk-to-stand signalling extravaganza; my comments may be distorted in consequence.)

Comment author: Will_Newsome 17 April 2012 03:14:36PM *  3 points [-]

Yes, I think I have evidence -- of about 5 people I know of 160+ IQ, none use many parentheses, whereas I know of a greater than 1 in 6 fraction in the immediate predecessor-S.D. that fall into the parenthesis-(ab)using category. Of course, even I myself don't put much faith in that data.

(Is my drunkenness-signaling (failed) signaling or (failed) counter-signaling (ignoring externalities in the form of diminished credibility)? I can't tell.)

Comment author: gjm 17 April 2012 03:40:34PM 2 points [-]

Is treating "data" as plural rather than singular correlated with difference between high and very high IQs in your experience? :-)

(I wonder whether I'm evidence one way or another here. I'm somewhere around 150, I think, and I used to use an awful lot of parens and have forced myself not to because I think not doing so is better style. But I'm more concerned with writing style than many other people I know who are about as clever as I am.)

((Counter-signalling is a special case of signalling. It isn't necessarily (failed) just because I don't like it.))

((()))

Comment author: Will_Newsome 17 April 2012 03:56:06PM 1 point [-]

Is treating "data" as plural rather than singular correlated with difference between high and very high IQs in your experience? :-)

In my experience that seems to correlate a lot more with conscientiousness and caring about writing style after screening off intelligence. (Also: fuck!—I hate when I forget to treat "data" as plural.)

I used to use an awful lot of parens and have forced myself not to because I think not doing so is better style.

Same here, at least when it comes to writing for a truly general audience or for myself.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 17 April 2012 03:26:15PM 0 points [-]

(Side note: another thing that confuses me is that intelligence doesn't seem to me to be overwhelmingly correlated with spelling ability. Not quite sure what to make of this; thus far I've attributed it to unrelated selection effects on who I've encountered. Would be interested in others' impressions.)

Comment author: Hul-Gil 19 April 2012 05:25:58AM *  1 point [-]

I have found entirely the opposite; it's very strongly correlated with spelling ability - or so it seems from my necessarily few observations, of course. I know some excellent mathematicians who write very stilted prose, and a few make more grammatical errors than I'd have expected, but they can all at least spell well.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 17 April 2012 06:51:27PM 1 point [-]

I know many very intelligent good spellers, and several very intelligent mediocre spellers, and one or two very intelligent apparently incorrigibly atrocious spellers. I don't know any moderate-intelligence good spellers, a few moderate-intelligence atrocious spellers, and quite a few quite a few moderate-intelligence mediocre spellers. I don't know very many dumb people socially, and mostly don't know how good their spelling is as they don't write much. People I met on the Internet don't really count, as I filter too much on spelling ability to begin with.

Comment author: thomblake 17 April 2012 06:32:01PM 1 point [-]

I have the opposite impression, but now that I have that correlation it's hard to make further unbiased observations.