By their fruits shall ye know them, not by their roots.
Their fruits are worse! (But some of those fruits - with the violent oppression and suchlike - you have said they should have done more of.)
I'm not actually trolling. You should consider thickening the tails on your models of why I do or say things. I am seriously considering officially becoming Catholic—that's how impressed with them I am.
The latter precludes the former in my way of modelling internet contributions.
The latter precludes the former in my way of modelling internet contributions.
Ah, I see. Unfortunate that "trolling" is so ambiguous as to whether it's about results or motivations (i.e.(?), immediate results or expected future results (potentially conditional on feeding/anti-feeding)). Results in e.g. Eliezer calling XiXiDu a troll even when XiXiDu clearly isn't trolling in the conative sense. Steve suggested ghost netting for the non-conative case.
I'm worried that LW doesn't have enough good contrarians and skeptics, people who disagree with us or like to find fault in every idea they see, but do so in a way that is often right and can change our minds when they are. I fear that when contrarians/skeptics join us but aren't "good enough", we tend to drive them away instead of improving them.
For example, I know a couple of people who occasionally had interesting ideas that were contrary to the local LW consensus, but were (or appeared to be) too confident in their ideas, both good and bad. Both people ended up being repeatedly downvoted and left our community a few months after they arrived. This must have happened more often than I have noticed (partly evidenced by the large number of comments/posts now marked as written by [deleted], sometimes with whole threads written entirely by deleted accounts). I feel that this is a waste that we should try to prevent (or at least think about how we might). So here are some ideas: