Ah, I see. Unfortunate that "trolling" is so ambiguous as to whether it's about results or motivations
It's probably a silly term. I should use it less - but would like there to be convenient replacements.
Results in e.g. Eliezer calling XiXiDu a troll even when XiXiDu clearly isn't trolling in the conative sense. Steve suggested ghost netting for the non-conative case.
XiXiDu does troll in all senses of the term sometimes (according to both observed behavior and explicit self descriptions). It isn't consistent. Eliezer's usage is correct and it would have been better for lesswrong in general if this was identified by more people earlier.
You read Steve's comment reply to you, right? I really don't think XiXiDu's self-characterizations are a reliable indicator of XiXiDu's actual drives. I think you're being unduly harsh on XiXiDu for political reasons, where "unduly" means that you're incorrectly attributing motives to him in order to justify a political position that may or may not be correct either way, not that your decision to act as if he is purposefully trolling is itself an unjustified political move. I also think Eliezer's bias to interpret his enemies as innately evil and...
I'm worried that LW doesn't have enough good contrarians and skeptics, people who disagree with us or like to find fault in every idea they see, but do so in a way that is often right and can change our minds when they are. I fear that when contrarians/skeptics join us but aren't "good enough", we tend to drive them away instead of improving them.
For example, I know a couple of people who occasionally had interesting ideas that were contrary to the local LW consensus, but were (or appeared to be) too confident in their ideas, both good and bad. Both people ended up being repeatedly downvoted and left our community a few months after they arrived. This must have happened more often than I have noticed (partly evidenced by the large number of comments/posts now marked as written by [deleted], sometimes with whole threads written entirely by deleted accounts). I feel that this is a waste that we should try to prevent (or at least think about how we might). So here are some ideas: