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Comment author: timtyler 20 April 2012 01:44:31AM *  1 point [-]

I couldn't find them in a quick search, but the gist of the argument that got me frustrated was a cluster of arguments that you've stated a lot but never written up at length.

Hmm. Thanks. I did write a whole book about that one - I think.

Your objection also makes me think of this material:

Even with regular evolution there can still be existence "failures" - for particular species.

Also, I do think one of these is coming: http://alife.co.uk/essays/memetic_takeover/

...leading to this: http://alife.co.uk/essays/engineered_future/ - apparently a future where humans as we know them play a pretty insignificant role.

I do think that the trend towards increased destructive power needs to be considered in the light of the simultaneous trend towards greater levels of cooperation, moral behaviour, and peacefulness.

Comment author: siodine 20 April 2012 02:21:47AM 1 point [-]

What's the current state of memetics in science (universities, journals, and so on)? I thought it turned out to be a dead end.

Comment author: timtyler 20 April 2012 11:06:33AM *  3 points [-]

Susan Blackmore recently described the current state of memetics as a science as being "pathetic".

A few pages on the general topic:

What we do have is a lot of modern work on "cultural evolution". It's not quite the same - but it's close, and it has many of the basics down.

Statistically, memetics may not be doing too well - but memes are going crazy - through the roof. It bodes well for the subject, I think.

Comment author: siodine 20 April 2012 02:04:11PM *  2 points [-]

Nice, I was impressed by the video and your page on the criticisms of memetics. But I think you'd be more agreeable to more prejudicial people (i.e., most everyone) if you made some stylistic changes; would you care to see some criticisms?

Comment author: timtyler 20 April 2012 03:33:57PM 1 point [-]

Any feedback you care to offer would be more than welcome.