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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 20 April 2012 06:09:09AM 0 points [-]

Why do you think the Devil might have tainted the temporal Church through the Second Vatican Council?

Comment author: Will_Newsome 21 April 2012 05:35:20AM *  3 points [-]

So this is getting into really crazy conspiracy theories, but I notice Vatican II came soon after the Church's failure to release the Third Secret of Fatima, which given the way Church authorities reacted to it IMO seems to indicate that it did indeed predict something like ongoing or imminent Satanic infiltration, or something similarly potentially disruptive to the termporal Church. FWIW I'm pretty sure this conspiracy theory only sounds even halfway plausible if you already accept as legitimate the various prophecies and miracles of Fatima.

ETA: Not sure what to make of the fact that if I was in a Dan Brown novel this is definitely a hypothesis I should keep to myself. I fear I'm not being very genre savvy.

Comment author: [deleted] 01 May 2012 09:13:51AM *  10 points [-]

I know basically nothing about modern Catholics, actually, which is a big reason why I haven't yet converted. E.g. I have serious doubts about the goodness of the Second Vatican Council. If the Devil has seriously tainted the temporal Church then I want no part in it.

Considering this among other things, I want to see the contrarian awesomeness that would be you writing a series of posts on the Orthospehere explaining your positions and theories regarding the Church and global history.

Regardless if this turned to be an epic troll or the birth of a new cult, it would be extremely entertaining.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 21 April 2012 10:37:53PM 3 points [-]

ETA: Not sure what to make of the fact that if I was in a Dan Brown novel this is definitely a hypothesis I should keep to myself. I fear I'm not being very genre savvy.

Given how correlated his novels tend to be with reality, I'd decrease my belief in the hypothesis.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 29 April 2012 08:19:59PM 0 points [-]

Upon reflection I remembered reading that there was serious cause for concern years before Vatican II. (N.B.: Linked blog seems to be generally epistemically careful but is big on conspiracy theories.)