chaosmosis comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 16, chapter 85 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: chaosmosis 18 April 2012 08:23:12PM 4 points [-]

Now we can make the Death Eaters bind trivial Unbreakable Vows over and over again until they lose all of their magic. So now Azkaban is unnecessary and the initial problem with Unbreakable Vows allowing for easy solutions to the prison vs. execution dilemma resurfaces again.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 18 April 2012 08:28:51PM 5 points [-]

Trivial vows might not trigger the ritual correctly. Remember one of the participants has to have had the option of trying to trust the person in question and choose not to. A vow over something that they'd have no reason to trust the person on otherwise may not work.

Comment author: chaosmosis 19 April 2012 12:04:27AM 0 points [-]

The initial statement seems plausible but not the reason you gave for it. Even trivial assertions involve trust. Your statement "a vow over something that they'd have no reason to trust the person on otherwise" reverses the burden of proof/trust that must be overcome. You still have to choose to trust someone even if you don't have evidence saying that they break promises, lacking evidence proving them distrustful does not preclude having to choose to actively trust them.

Comment author: SkyDK 19 April 2012 12:28:42PM 4 points [-]

One major problem concerns the legal rights of magical criminals; what if you're later found to be innocent? There'll be no way to reclaim their magic. Hence I doubt Harry would prefer this solution.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 19 April 2012 06:44:23AM 4 points [-]

That reminds me-- at some point in canon, Dumbledore says "There are worse things than dying", and my original thought was that Voldemort could be turned into a Muggle. As it turned out, Dumbledore presumably meant the consequences of creating Horcruxes, but I do wonder how Voldeort would manage if he were turned into a Muggle.