gwern comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 16, chapter 85 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gwern 19 April 2012 11:07:42PM 20 points [-]

That theory is possibly the most elaborate sour grapes I've ever seen.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 19 April 2012 11:15:47PM 0 points [-]

I don't follow, care to explain?

FWIW the expedient technology route is the one taken by all other species that have any technology at all. A chimp drops his ant poking stick when he's done poking the ants. It's clearly capable of being an evolutionary success.

Comment author: see 20 April 2012 05:35:29AM 9 points [-]

The Parlevar were wiped out entirely. Both species of chimp have an ICUN Red List status of Endangered. I would suggest that being wiped out or nearly so by competitive pressure brought to bear by close genetic relatives who took up a different strategy is not a marker of a strategy being an "evolutionary success".

Comment author: JulianMorrison 20 April 2012 10:13:44AM *  -1 points [-]

Inability to cope with technology maximizing societies is kind of a special case. It applies to basically ALL animals, birds, fish, plants, and even to other humans who decided on being expedient technologists. If you can't call the Parlevar successful ("Before British colonisation in 1803, there were an estimated 3,000–15,000 Parlevar" -- Wikipedia) then you can't call any of the species successful that we wiped out or massively reduced.