ArisKatsaris comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 16, chapter 85 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ArisKatsaris 21 April 2012 01:44:01AM *  14 points [-]

Here's one more option:
e) People don't think enough about the level of brutality in prisons, and when they do think and talk about it they find it easier to applaud brutality; because anyone who spoke against it "would associate themselves with criminals, with weakness, with distasteful things that people would rather not think about", while speaking in its favor make you look tough on crime.

Given political discussions I've partaken in other forums, I know full well that whenever I condemned prison rape and suggested ways in which it might be reduced/prevented, the typical response was something to the effect of "Why do you love criminals so much?"

Comment author: wedrifid 21 April 2012 03:33:58AM 4 points [-]

Given political discussions I've partaken in other forums, I know full well that whenever I condemned prison rape and suggested ways in which it might be reduced/prevented,

For example: Punish rapes among inmates in the same manner that other rapes of citizens by other citizens. Punish rapes of inmates by wardens in the same way with the additional loading that should be applied to all abuses of authority, particularly state sanctioned authority. But to do that we would need to replace Uncle Sam with Uncle Ben.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 21 April 2012 04:40:52AM 1 point [-]

Punish rapes among inmates in the same manner that other rapes of citizens by other citizens.

That would be by sending them to prison, which is not much of a punishment to someone who's already in prison.

Comment author: wedrifid 21 April 2012 05:19:43AM 3 points [-]

That would be by sending them to prison, which is not much of a punishment to someone who's already in prison.

Yes it is. Not all sentences are life sentences. Then there are the obvious differences in types of imprisonment - including level of security and whether they have access to other prisoners or are confined to solitary.

Comment author: Strange7 23 June 2012 09:55:45PM 1 point [-]

Not all, but entirely too many. If someone is already going to be in a big concrete box for the next ten years no matter what they do, and doesn't expect to survive more than five years in that environment, what more can you do to them?

Comment author: Sheaman3773 26 June 2012 11:32:04PM 0 points [-]

Put them in a smaller concrete box and with other prisoners that lower that estimate of their lifespan?

Comment author: Strange7 27 June 2012 03:23:08PM 0 points [-]

Assume they're already in the worst box that various legislation (mostly related to human rights) permits you to construct, or the closest cost-effective approximation thereof.

Comment author: Sheaman3773 27 June 2012 04:35:53PM 1 point [-]

At that point, if they are not already, they should be put into solitary. Some would consider it reward, but if they prey on others, then they should be put somewhere that they can't--that's (ostensibly) why they're there in the first place, at least in part.

Comment author: ygert 25 May 2012 01:50:16PM *  2 points [-]

Locking criminals up for years, away from everyone else, seems like a horrible way of scaring others into not committing crimes.

Following this train of thought, ideally prisons should be replaced with a more public/visible type of punishment. Maybe caning?

Comment author: TheOtherDave 25 May 2012 02:56:10PM 0 points [-]

I dunno. In the real world, I know a lot of people who seem awfully frightened of prisons. But sure, maybe they'd be more frightened of public caning.