pedanterrific comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 16, chapter 85 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: pedanterrific 26 April 2012 02:49:36AM 2 points [-]

Think one step further. What does this imply about his other Horcruxes?

Comment author: wirov 26 April 2012 03:24:38PM 0 points [-]

That they're in places with a not-so-good view? In chapter 46, Harry guesses:

"Well," said Harry, "besides trying to get [something you don't want found] into the molten core of the planet, you could bury it in solid rock a kilometer underground in a randomly selected location - maybe teleport it in, if there's some way to do that blindly, or drill a hole and repair the hole afterward; the important thing would be not to leave any traces leading there, so it's just an anonymous cubic meter somewhere in the Earth's crust. You could drop it into the Mariana Trench, that's the deepest depth of ocean on the planet - or just pick some random other ocean trench, to make it less obvious.

Comment author: pedanterrific 26 April 2012 03:27:38PM 7 points [-]

Apparently I was being excessively coy. I meant they can't be destroyed without his knowledge. (Also, I notice you left out the stratosphere one.)

Comment author: chaosmosis 26 April 2012 08:04:50PM *  2 points [-]

If you meant without his immediate knowledge then I interpret it as evidence pointing more towards the opposite conclusion, although it doesn't point very far either way. He possibly wouldn't bother to go to check on his Horcruxes if he was immediately aware of what their condition is. It's only weak evidence but it points against the idea that he's aware of all of his soul-parts at once.

if you meant that he'll find out as soon as he goes to check on them, then I agree.

Comment author: pedanterrific 26 April 2012 08:29:41PM *  6 points [-]

What do you mean by "goes to check on them"? I just meant he could set aside an hour every Sunday to cast "view-of-space, view-of-sky, view-of-dirt, view-of-magma, view-of-ocean" for five seconds each. Presumably the spell would fail or something if the viewpoint Horcrux had been destroyed.

ETA: Quirrell states to Harry (so take with an entire shaker of salt, but still) that the spell takes a lot out of him to cast, so he couldn't cast it again "today, or tomorrow either". Even assuming that's true, that just imposes a three-day break between individual checks, so the longest a Horcrux would go unexamined would be two weeks. Or he could leave the Spacecrux out of the usual lineup because it's relatively unreachable, just check it on special occasions (and to show off for Harry).

Comment author: chaosmosis 27 April 2012 04:51:16AM 3 points [-]

That's the type of thing I was referring to with "goes to check on them", I didn't mean to imply that he moved his physical body.

Dualism makes for stupid problems with grammar.

Comment author: wirov 26 April 2012 03:39:07PM 0 points [-]

Oh, okay. If I remember correctly, this was suggested by Dumbledore in canon (with some handwaving about Voldemort not noticing it, because his soul is too hurt), that's probably why this didn't occur to me.

I read the scene as the stratosphere idea being a precursor to the space idea, not an idea on it's own. Although after re-reading, I'm not so sure anymore…

Comment author: pedanterrific 26 April 2012 03:44:44PM *  4 points [-]

(Fire, Earth, Water, Air, Void/Ether.) Also, canonMort settled on six Horcruxes because he thought splitting his soul into seven pieces would have some beneficial effect (never specified, perhaps because his first 'crux was destroyed by the time he made the sixth). If the stratosphere doesn't qualify, that leaves a Horcrux unaccounted for.

Comment author: moritz 26 April 2012 12:21:20PM 0 points [-]

You mean, like, the book he gave Harry?

Comment author: pedanterrific 26 April 2012 02:57:05PM 4 points [-]

That isn't a Horcrux, from Word of EY.

Comment author: chaosmosis 26 April 2012 02:23:40PM 0 points [-]

Why do we think that this is a Horcrux? Just canonical similarities?

Comment author: moritz 27 April 2012 12:33:18PM 3 points [-]

Yes. That and the fact the book is resistent to rough handling. Though of course if I were a magical archaeologist, I'd also find some spell that makes those valuable artefacts as indestructible as possible.