[SEQ RERUN] On Being Decoherent

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Today's post, On Being Decoherent was originally published on 27 April 2008. A summary (taken from the LW wiki):

When a sensor measures a particle whose amplitude distribution stretches over space - perhaps seeing if the particle is to the left or right of some dividing line - then the standard laws of quantum mechanics call for the sensor+particle system to evolve into a state of (particle left, sensor measures LEFT) + (particle right, sensor measures RIGHT). But when we humans look at the sensor, it only seems to say "LEFT" or "RIGHT", never a mixture like "LIGFT". This, of course, is because we ourselves are made of particles, and subject to the standard quantum laws that imply decoherence. Under standard quantum laws, the final state is (particle left, sensor measures LEFT, human sees "LEFT") + (particle right, sensor measures RIGHT, human sees "RIGHT").

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Today's post, On Being Decoherent was originally published on 27 April 2008. A summary (taken from the LW wiki):

When a sensor measures a particle whose amplitude distribution stretches over space - perhaps seeing if the particle is to the left or right of some dividing line - then the standard laws of quantum mechanics call for the sensor+particle system to evolve into a state of (particle left, sensor measures LEFT) + (particle right, sensor measures RIGHT). But when we humans look at the sensor, it only seems to say "LEFT" or "RIGHT", never a mixture like "LIGFT". This, of course, is because we ourselves are made of particles, and subject to the standard quantum laws that imply decoherence. Under standard quantum laws, the final state is (particle left, sensor measures LEFT, human sees "LEFT") + (particle right, sensor measures RIGHT, human sees "RIGHT").

I don't disagree with your second sentence. Regarding the first, I don't think there's really any argument about whether or not it's handwaving. The question is whether or not it's justified handwaving in the pursuit of a pseudo-rigorous understanding of quantum mechanics.

I'm comfortable with him saying that time evolution is linear, because there are intuitive reasons for it to be so, and he presents those reasons elsewhere.

I'm less comfortable with the use of them in this article. Take the following quote:

There are no plausible Feynman paths that end up with both LEFT and RIGHT sending amplitude to the same joint configuration. There would have to be a Feynman path from LEFT, and a Feynman path from RIGHT, in which all the quadrillions of differentiated particles ended up in the same places. So the amplitude flows from LEFT and RIGHT don't intersect, and don't interfere.

It's really hard to make sense of this given the way Feynman paths are treated earlier. I can make sense of it if I rely on what traditional training I've had in quantum mechanics, but not everyone has that background.

'Handwaving' describes vagueness. Yet, just how much vagueness qualifies as 'handwaving' is not well-defined!

This builds on the result of 'joint configurations', which is that for interference to occur, everything needs to line up. EVERYTHING. Otherwise, it's offset in some dimension or other, and not really in the same 'place' at all. With that in place, this is a short step to take.