Oscar_Cunningham comments on Logical fallacy poster - Less Wrong

7 Post author: Utopiah 20 April 2012 02:07PM

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Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 20 April 2012 04:55:57PM 6 points [-]
Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 21 April 2012 12:49:45AM *  3 points [-]

Isn't that what posters are (usually) supposed to be?

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 23 April 2012 11:23:33AM 0 points [-]

If so then don't have posters.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 23 April 2012 03:23:36PM 0 points [-]

Why do you hate warm-fuzzies?

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 23 April 2012 03:34:25PM 0 points [-]

I don't. I just try to get them separately from rationality info (so that both can be separately optimised).

Comment author: RobertLumley 05 May 2012 02:09:00PM 0 points [-]

This precludes the possibility that both warm fuzzies and rationality info are optimized by having overlap between them.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 21 April 2012 11:33:36PM *  1 point [-]

What exactly is an applause light? Based on Eliezer's post, I see it as a description of a goal, without any specifics on how to achieve that goal. I'm not sure I see that in this poster; the poster presents an implied suggestion on how to reason better (look for fallacies like these in the speech of yourself and others).

If you're suggesting that being able to avoid these logical fallacies falls out of reading Less Wrong automatically, and the poster is therefore preaching to the choir here, that's a different allegation.

Comment author: drethelin 22 April 2012 02:48:37AM 1 point [-]

Applause lights are when you say a meaningless or almost meaningless phrase meant to evoke good feelings about your position. "Freedom" "America" "Democracy" "The greater good" etc. The poster is really more to make you feel good about yourself and your knowledge of biases than for anything useful.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 22 April 2012 03:09:29AM 1 point [-]

I see, and math textbooks are to make people feel good about their knowledge of math? How did you determine this?

Comment author: drethelin 22 April 2012 03:20:20AM 0 points [-]

Contrast a math textbook to a poster that just has Euler's Identity. One is useful for teaching you about math, the other is just to show off that you're a fan of math to other people in your in-group. This poster is for people that want to point to a box during an argument and feel smug. There's nothing terribly wrong with that, but it's still basically just saying "yay math".

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 22 April 2012 03:32:20AM *  0 points [-]

I have friends who admit they fill their shelves with math textbooks partially to signal that they're intellectual. It's possible to have both an educational payload and a signaling payload.