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24 Post author: JulianMorrison 19 April 2009 09:23PM

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Comment author: pre 20 April 2009 10:03:15AM 1 point [-]

memetic engineering

The art of manipulating the media, especially news, and public opinion. Sometimes known as "spin-doctoring" I guess, but I think the memetic paradigm is probably a more useful one to attack it from.

I'd love to understand that better than I do. Understanding it properly would certainly help with evangelism.

I fear that very few people really do grok it though, certainly I wouldn't be capable of writing much relevant about it yet.

Comment author: Emile 20 April 2009 12:57:43PM 1 point [-]

I'm not sure that's something worth studying here - it's kinda sneaky and unethical.

Comment author: pre 20 April 2009 01:35:33PM 6 points [-]

Oh, so we're just using techniques which win without being sneaky? Isn't 'sneaky' a good, winning strategy?

Rationality's enemies are certainly using these techniques. Should we not study them, if only with a view to finding an antidote?

Comment author: Simulacra 21 April 2009 02:25:37AM 4 points [-]

I would say it is certainly something worth studying, the understanding of how it works would be invaluable. We can decide if we want to use it to further our goals or not once we understand it (hopefully not before, using something you don't understand is generally a bad thing imho). If we decide not to use it, the knowledge would help us educate others and perhaps prevent the 'dark ones' from using it.

Perhaps something a la James Randi, create an ad whose first half uses some of the techniques and whose second half explains the mechanisms used to control inattentive viewers with a link to somewhere with more information on understanding how its done and why people should care.