gwern comments on Intelligence as a bad - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gwern 25 April 2012 05:37:25PM *  18 points [-]

This suggests that intelligence is an externality, like pollution. Something that benefits the individual at a cost to society. They posit the evolution of intelligence as an arms race between members of the species.

...And data from humans and not small neural networks tends to suggest that intelligence is an externality, like vaccination. See links in http://lesswrong.com/lw/7e1/rationality_quotes_september_2011/4r01

(As one would expect from a richer model of economics including things like the difficulty of capturing all gains from innovation.)

Comment author: siodine 25 April 2012 06:07:31PM *  0 points [-]

That's all very interesting; so I wonder, who are the free riders on national intelligence? The management class? Corporations? Masters of the dark triad?

Comment author: JoshuaZ 25 April 2012 07:17:49PM 14 points [-]

All of us. We're free-riding on the Pasteurs and Newtons and all the other engineers and scientists who have come before us.

Comment author: siodine 25 April 2012 07:19:18PM *  3 points [-]

True enough, but not what I was referring to.

ETA: I'm referring to the following (along with some of the other studies linked by gwern):

cognitive skills—intelligence quotient scores, math skills, and the like—have only a modest influence on individual wages, but are strongly correlated with national outcomes. Is this largely due to human capital spillovers? This paper argues that the answer is yes. It presents four different channels through which intelligence may matter more for nations than for individuals: (i) intelligence is associated with patience and hence higher savings rates; (ii) intelligence causes cooperation; (iii) higher group intelligence opens the door to using fragile, high-value production technologies; and (iv) intelligence is associated with supporting market-oriented policies.

JoshuaZ is referring to something hugely more generic and obvious (revolutionary geniuses and cumulative knowledge vs significantly above average IQ workers in contemporary economies).

Comment author: DanArmak 01 May 2012 11:49:10PM *  0 points [-]

It's true, but a weird use of "free-riding". In that sense you could also say that every child is free-riding on its parents' investment in raising it.

Comment author: gwern 25 April 2012 06:25:33PM 2 points [-]

Strictly speaking, everyone who isn't paying the innovator but is benefiting from the innovation is a free-rider. Who benefits disproportionately? I guess to the extent that all economic wealth flows to anyone disproportionately (perhaps the rich), they benefit disproportionately from innovation as well.

Comment author: siodine 25 April 2012 07:06:34PM *  3 points [-]

Perhaps the rich

I don't know if that's serious or snark, but I don't think it's necessarily the rich. For instance, the management class could absorb the positive externalities of their more intelligent and less socially adept subordinates while only being marginally richer. So, as a whole if you could say the management class produces no to few benefits themselves, and yet takes a huge chunk of economic wealth roughly the size of what you'd expect from the positive externalities from intelligence, then you could potentially make some interesting conclusions.

ETA: I'm using this as an example of the kind of thing I'm talking about, and I'm not supporting it as a conclusion or even a hypothesis.