JoshuaZ comments on Recognizing memetic infections and forging resistance memes - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 26 April 2012 08:56:20PM 8 points [-]

How do you distinguish a meme that is infectious because it is hijacking imperfect hardware and a meme that is actually spreading because it has good content? There are some very simple concepts that spread easily that could be regarded as memes. For example, the idea of Fermi estimates is essentially a meme. But it is one that is useful in many contexts.

Comment author: JGWeissman 26 April 2012 09:04:58PM 7 points [-]

It seems that Johnicolas would call the Fermi estimate meme "infectious", but not a "disease".

(Note that the word 'infection' has a stigma to it, but I don't mean it to be necessarily a bad thing. I will use 'disease' to mean 'infection with bad consequences'.)

It may be better to more explicitly counter the connotations of common usage by calling it a "benign infection".

Comment author: [deleted] 27 April 2012 11:38:30AM 0 points [-]

This reminds me of someone complaining somewhere that the word viral is now used without negative connotation (as in viral advertising by its advocates), and that that's not right.

Comment author: timtyler 27 April 2012 10:07:19PM *  4 points [-]

Natural organic viruses can be good for you. E.g. see the Seneca Valley Virus.

"Viral" isn't wrong - though there is a case that it is potentially misleading. I tend to use "cultural symbiont", "cultural parasite" and "cultural mutualist".

Comment author: Johnicholas 26 April 2012 09:29:52PM -1 points [-]

Thank you. Exactly.

Comment author: timtyler 27 April 2012 10:05:09PM *  3 points [-]

How do you distinguish a meme that is infectious because it is hijacking imperfect hardware and a meme that is actually spreading because it has good content?

A biologist would look at the effect of the cultural symbiote on host fitness - and classify it as a parasite, mutualist or commensalist, accordingly.