thomblake comments on Go Forth and Create the Art! - Less Wrong

38 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 April 2009 01:37AM

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Comment author: thomblake 23 April 2009 05:26:16PM 3 points [-]

I must disagree with your assessment of Hegel. Folks from the outside often see "philosophy" as something without internal divisions (like people from the outside of any culture). While it's true that 'very many' (for some values of 'very many') think Hegel is a fraud, he's still both popular and influential. I am amongst the ones who don't think very highly of 'continental philosophy' (of which Hegel is an example), but I nonetheless recommend him at times. Specifically, some folks think Marx had interesting things to say about alienation, and I have to point out that Marx pretty much just lifted those parts entirely from Hegel (though mostly reversing their spin). As continental philosophers go, I think Hegel is pretty solid (compare Heidegger).

But yes, folks that use terms that lump Isaac Newton and Dan Dennett together with Hegel and Marx are clearly doing something wrong.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 24 April 2009 01:34:12AM *  1 point [-]

Could you elaborate? It's not obvious, except in the sentence with Heidegger, that you disagree at all. "Fraud" is a bit harsh, but saying that his claim to have a new way of thinking was a pitiful jump off a cliff is not to say that "every word he says is a lie, including 'and' and 'the.'" Maybe the image of jumping off a cliff is too vivid. I take it mean having reached a position where you can convince yourself of anything, but that doesn't mean that you'll use this new tool to actually convince yourself of everything.

No discussion of Hegel is complete without posters.

I certainly believe that many people will be mislead by Michael Vassar's comment because they don't notice the difference between "very many" and "most."

Comment author: Mulciber 23 April 2009 08:47:53PM 0 points [-]

"Folks from the outside often see 'philosophy' as something without internal divisions (like people from the outside of any culture)."

Aren't those people just straightforwardly wrong? If anything, philosophy has too many internal divisions.