DuncanS comments on (Almost) every moral theory can be represented by a utility function - Less Wrong

5 Post author: lukeprog 30 April 2012 03:31AM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (42)

You are viewing a single comment's thread.

Comment author: DuncanS 30 April 2012 10:06:41PM 0 points [-]

One thing that goes along with this is the idea that possible courses of action in any given situation can be sorted according to moral desirability. Of course in practice people differ about the exact ordering. But I've never heard anyone claim that in the moral sphere, B > A, C > B and simultaneously A > C. If in a moral scheme, you always find that A > B > C implies A > C, then you ought to be able to map to a utility function.

The only thing I'd add is that this doesn't map onto a materialist consequentialism. If you were part of the crew of a spacecraft unavoidably crashing into the Sun, with no power left and no communications - is there still a moral way to behave - when nothing you do will show in the material world in an hour or so? Many moral theories would hold so, but there isn't a material consequence as such...

Comment author: roystgnr 01 May 2012 08:37:43PM 1 point [-]

is there still a moral way to behave - when nothing you do will show in the material world in an hour or so?

Suppose the universe has an inescapable Big Crunch or Heat Death ahead - is there a moral way to behave, when nothing you do will show in the material world in a googolplex years or so?

Either way the answer is yes: all the materialist consequentialists need is a utility functional which has support at all times t rather than just at t_infinity.

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 01 May 2012 06:25:03AM 1 point [-]

One thing that goes along with this is the idea that possible courses of action in any given situation can be sorted according to moral desirability.

This isn't necessary for the proof to work AFAICT. All you need is to be able to say is "In context A, action X is the moral action," i.e., there just needs to be a "best" action. Then set U(best action) > U(anything else).

The only thing I'd add is that this doesn't map onto a materialist consequentialism. If you were part of the crew of a spacecraft unavoidably crashing into the Sun, with no power left and no communications - is there still a moral way to behave - when nothing you do will show in the material world in an hour or so? Many moral theories would hold so, but there isn't a material consequence as such...

Every action you take has material consequences. You are, after all, made of material.