NancyLebovitz comments on A few questions on International Rationality - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 30 April 2012 10:50:14PM 14 points [-]

Americans being more willing to be weird could explain both rationality as a project and religiosity.

Comment author: djcb 01 May 2012 04:26:23PM 6 points [-]

But in what way is being religious considered 'weird' in the US?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 01 May 2012 05:46:14PM 5 points [-]

Actually, it depends on which religion and where you are. Any new religion (or new variant on a religion, and that happens a lot) is going to be considered weird.

Also, a person's amount of religiousness can easily be considered weird.

Comment author: juliawise 03 May 2012 12:48:40PM *  1 point [-]

Hare Krishna? Shakers? Mormons? Hasidic Jews? America mostly tolerated these religions, but the neighbors still considered them weird.

Comment author: hankx7787 01 May 2012 02:11:46PM 5 points [-]

This is the best answer I've seen so far. At the risk of losing karma, I'll point out nevertheless that America is the land of libertarian individualism like no other, which in my opinion explains everything.

Comment author: Locke 30 April 2012 10:51:59PM 4 points [-]

What reason do you have to believe we're more inclined to weirdness?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 01 May 2012 01:11:31AM 13 points [-]

It was a commonality between rationality as a project and religiosity. I was intending a very weak form of "could explain".

What I actually believe is that Americans have a default of "doing something". Thinking about whether the something makes sense is permitted but optional.

Comment author: atucker 02 May 2012 12:27:47AM 2 points [-]

The fact that Americans are almost entirely descended from people who decided to uproot themselves and move to a foreign country where they don't have the same institutions, culture, or friends.

This is pretty not normal.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 02 May 2012 12:44:22AM 0 points [-]

This assumes a large genetic aspect of being "weird".

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 02 May 2012 03:19:54AM 6 points [-]

Not necessarily, this was recent enough that it could be cultural.

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 02 May 2012 12:19:20PM 3 points [-]

Not unreasonable. Eg personality traits like openness have a decent heritability and are closely related to weirdness.

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 02 May 2012 12:15:46PM 1 point [-]

"Weirdness" is closely related to a high score in the psychological trait openness in the big5.

According to this meta-analysis the correlations between religiosity and openness are somewhat mixed:

"while Openness is negatively related to religious fundamentalism (weighted mean r=−0.14, P<0.01) and, to some extent, intrinsic-general religiosity (r=−0.06, P<0.01), it is positively related to measures of open or mature religiosity and spirituality (r=0.22, P<0.0001)."

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 02 May 2012 03:43:18PM 1 point [-]

"Weirdness" is in the mind of the beholder.

Also, I bet they didn't check the openness level of people who start or join new religions-- such people are pretty rare, but they're the ones who keep the religious landscape lively.

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 02 May 2012 05:23:59PM 1 point [-]

I was assuming you meant something like "willing to go against the dominant norms in one's society" by it, which is close related to Openness.

I'd expect those people joining/starting new religions to be more open, thus the operalization of your hypothesis in terms of big5-Openness. There should probably be studies on smaller religions, such as new age, which might aptly be called new.