C9AEA3E1 comments on A few questions on International Rationality - Less Wrong

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Comment author: C9AEA3E1 01 May 2012 11:58:54AM 3 points [-]

To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing quite like SIAI or lesswrong in continental western Europe. People aren't into AI as much as in the US, and if there's rationality thinking being done, it's mostly traditional rationality, skepticism, etc.

Atheism can score high in many countries, as a rule of thumb countries to the north are more atheistic, those to the south (Spain, Portugal, Italy, etc.) are more religious.

There are a few scattered transhumanist as well as a few life-extension organizations, which are loosely starting to cooperate together.

The European commission itself started prioritizing small-scale healthy life extension a year or two ago. This could help focus more people on such questions in the years to come.

Comment author: DanArmak 02 May 2012 01:37:46AM 4 points [-]

as a rule of thumb countries to the north are more atheistic, those to the south (Spain, Portugal, Italy, etc.) are more religious.

Is that just the historical Catholic-Protestant divide?

Comment author: Cthulhoo 02 May 2012 01:19:51PM *  2 points [-]

To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing quite like SIAI or lesswrong in continental western Europe. People aren't into AI as much as in the US, and if there's rationality thinking being done, it's mostly traditional rationality, skepticism, etc.

This is true, at least in Italy. Most of the concept of LW version of rationality are simply not known.

Atheism can score high in many countries, as a rule of thumb countries to the north are more atheistic, those to the south (Spain, Portugal, Italy, etc.) are more religious.

While Spain and Italy are nominally quite religious (i.e. most people would classify themselves as christian), the majority of people are definitely not fervent believers . Nothing to do with what I understood is the situation in the U.S.: most people never go to church if not for weddings and funeral, and even fewer people follow the (catholic) religious orthodoxy. It's usually a classic case of belief in belief/cached thought: it has happened to me more than once to have a discussion with a "religious" person, only for her to realize in the end that she was more likely agnostic or mildly theist.

Religion has still his enormous political and social weight, of course, but it's mostly inertia.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 May 2012 02:53:17PM 0 points [-]

Religion [in Italy] has still his enormous political and social weight, of course, but it's mostly inertia.

No, it's more than inertia. Think about lobbies instead.

Comment author: Cthulhoo 11 May 2012 09:40:54AM 0 points [-]

No, it's more than inertia. Think about lobbies instead. Sure, the whole picture is rather complicate, and my purpose wasn't to fully analyze it. I was mostly focusing on the bottom view, i.e. most people without any specific economical/political interest in supporting religion. For them it's mostly inertia.

At the higher levels, for sure, there's an intricate web of relationships that has to be balanced, and religion is still a powerful instrument for some power groups.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 May 2012 09:48:35AM 1 point [-]

(You need to put a blank line after a quotation, otherwise the rest of the paragraph is shown as if it were part of the quotation too.)

Comment author: [deleted] 11 May 2012 10:00:24AM 0 points [-]

I was mostly focusing on the bottom view, i.e. most people without any specific economical/political interest in supporting religion.

Since the second-last paragraph of your post was indeed about such people, I assumed that the last (one-sentence) paragraph was about the higher levels for contrast.

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 02 May 2012 12:24:37PM 0 points [-]

In the scandinavian countries SIAI-style thinking seems at least as common to me as in the US (eg comparing Sweden to New York, which I believe is of similar size).