Nominull comments on Rationality Quotes May 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nominull 17 May 2012 01:22:01AM -2 points [-]

Vimes has the right of it here, I think. They are just people, they are just doing what people do. And even if what people do isn't always as good as it could be, it is far from being as bad as it could be. Mankind is inherently good at a level greater than can be explained by chance alone, p<.05.

Comment author: CasioTheSane 17 May 2012 05:42:28AM *  3 points [-]

Simply writing "p<.05" after a statement doesn't count as evidence for it.

Edit: "Goodness" can be explained from evolutionary game theory: Generous Tit-for-Tat behavior is an excellent survival strategy and often leads to productive (or at least not mutually destructive) cooperation with other individuals practicing Generous Tit-for-Tat. Calling this "goodness" or "evilness" (altruism vs selfishness) is a meaningless value judgment when both describe the same behavior. Really it's neither- people aren't good for the sake of being good, or bad for the sake of being bad but behaving a certain way because it's a good strategy for survival.

Comment author: Nominull 17 May 2012 07:45:26AM *  0 points [-]

"p<.05" is a shorthand way of saying "the evidence we have is substantially unlikely to be the random result of unbiased processes". It wasn't intended to be taken literally, unless you think I've done randomized controlled trials on the goodness of mankind.

Yes, surely the inherent goodness comes from evolutionary game theory, it's hard to see where else it would have come from. But the fact that evolutionary game theory suggests that people should have evolved to be good should be a point in favor of the proposition that mankind is inherently good, not a point against it.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, doing an RCT on the goodness of mankind might help illuminate some points. You could put a researcher in a room and have him "accidentally" drop some papers, and see if it's people or placebo mannequins who are more likely to help him pick them up.

Comment author: CuSithBell 17 May 2012 01:35:47AM -2 points [-]

Mankind is inherently good at a level greater than can be explained by chance alone, p<.05.

Chance as opposed to...?