Anatoly_Vorobey comments on [SEQ RERUN] The Dilemma: Science or Bayes? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Anatoly_Vorobey 04 May 2012 11:38:30PM 1 point [-]

I don't know much about it, but searching leads to this pretty interesting-looking paper which argues that the bound is largely incidental: http://www.mv.helsinki.fi/home/praatika/chaitinJPL.pdf

Comment author: gRR 05 May 2012 12:25:51AM *  0 points [-]

Thanks! The paper does give an answer, obvious in hindsight: the threshold constant for a formal system F is determined by the shortest Turing Machine that does not halt, but that fact is not provable in F.

Comment author: Anatoly_Vorobey 05 May 2012 09:48:13PM 1 point [-]

Unfortunately, this turns out to be subtly wrong - see my update in a sibling comment.

Comment author: gRR 06 May 2012 12:31:32AM 0 points [-]

That's a pity. Still, given any non-halting TM for which F cannot prove that, it is easy (costs very little additional constant complexity) to build a TM for which F also cannot prove that it does not return any x. And this still answers my original question (whether the threshold is very high) in the negative. So, bad for K-complexity, we need something better.