jimmy comments on The ethics of breaking belief - Less Wrong

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Comment author: jimmy 13 May 2012 07:15:55PM *  3 points [-]

I'm reasonably darned sure you can't do that by any conversational means

Agreed. The only way I’d see myself as having a fighting chance would be if you had a strong reason to go into hypnosis and you didn’t know my intentions.

If the world really were at stake, I think I could help you with the red panda problem - though I still have fairly wide confidence intervals on how difficult that would be because I haven't tried something like this. I have yet to find a real life example where I’d encourage self deception and a surprisingly large fraction of problems go away when you remove the self deception.

I have been having a lot of fun using hypnosis and techniques inspired by hypnosis to improve rationality - and successfully. I was a bit disappointed that you didn’t respond to my email offering to show what hypnosis says about training rationality. And now I’m a bit confused with the retraction because I had figured you had completely written me off as a crackpot.

Will Ryan mentioned that you were skeptical of “this stuff”. Can you elaborate on what specifically you’re skeptical about and what kinds of evidence you’d like to see?

Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 13 May 2012 07:46:29PM 1 point [-]

I hope you don't think you are actually "giving amnesia" or doing anything other than roleplaying mind-controller and mind-controllee, in dialogues like these. Those teenagers are just playing along for their own reasons.

Comment author: jimmy 14 May 2012 05:00:06PM *  3 points [-]

That hypothesis certainly isn't new to me.

There's a lot of research on hypnotic amnesia. Here are a few showing differences between hypnotically suggested amnesia and faked amnesia.

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/abn/70/2/123/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2348012

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/abn/105/3/381/

The relationship between "actually giving amnesia" and "roleplaying amnesia" is fascinating, but not something I'm going to get into here.