Well, first off, Ben seem to be a lot more accurate than SIAI when it comes to meta, i.e. acknowledging that the intuitions act as puppetmaster.
The graph for Ben would probably include more progression from nodes from the actual design that he has in mind - learning AI - and from computational complexity theory (for example i'm pretty sure Ben understands all those points about the prediction vs butterfly effect, the tasks that are exponential improving at most 2x when power is to mankind as mankind is to 1 amoeba, etc, it really is very elementary stuff). So would a graph of the people competent in that field. The Ben's building human-like-enough AI. The SIAI is reinventing religion as far as i can see, there's no attempts to try and see what limitations AI can have. Any technical counter argument is rationalized away, any pro argument, no matter how weak and how privileged it is as a hypothesis, or how vague, is taken as something which has to be conclusively disproved. The vague stuff has to be defined by whoever wants to disprove it. Same as for any religion really.
Well, first off, Ben seem to be a lot more accurate than SIAI when it comes to meta, i.e. acknowledging that the intuitions act as puppetmaster.
Yes, this did cause me to take him more seriously than before.
The graph for Ben would probably include more progression from nodes from the actual design that he has in mind - learning AI
That doesn't seem to help much in practice though. See this article where Ben describes his experiences running an AGI company with more than 100 employees during the dot-com era. At the end, he thought he was close to succ...
I thought Ben Goertzel made an interesting point at the end of his dialog with Luke Muehlhauser, about how the strengths of both sides' arguments do not match up with the strengths of their intuitions:
What do we do about this disagreement and other similar situations, both as bystanders (who may not have strong intuitions of their own) and as participants (who do)?
I guess what bystanders typically do (although not necessarily consciously) is evaluate how reliable each party's intuitions are likely to be, and then use that to form a probabilistic mixture of the two sides' positions.The information that go into such evaluations could include things like what cognitive processes likely came up with the intuitions, how many people hold each intuition and how accurate each individual's past intuitions were.
If this is the best we can do (at least in some situations), participants could help by providing more information that might be relevant to the reliability evaluations, and bystanders should pay more conscious attention to such information instead of focusing purely on each side's arguments. The participants could also pretend that they are just bystanders, for the purpose of making important decisions, and base their beliefs on "reliability-adjusted" intuitions instead of their raw intuitions.
Questions: Is this a good idea? Any other ideas about what to do when strong intuitions meet weak arguments?
Related Post: Kaj Sotala's Intuitive differences: when to agree to disagree, which is about a similar problem, but mainly from the participant's perspective instead of the bystander's.