Yep. Seems to apply to the limited time versions as well. At least they don't specify any difference between "doing innovative stuff that you want them to do for sake of the AI risk argument" and "sitting in a corner masturbating quietly", and the latter looks like way simpler solution to the problem they are really given (in math) [but not of our human-language loose and fuzzy description of that problem]
What I think is the case, is that this whole will to really live and really do stuff is very hard to implement, and implementing it doesn't really add anything to the engineering powers of the AI so even when it's implemented, it'll not result in something that's out engineering everyone. I'd become concerned if we had engineering tools that are very powerful but are wireheading (or masturbating) left and right to the point that we can't get much use out of them. Then i'd be properly freaked out that if someone fixes this problem somehow, something undesired might happen and it would be impossible to deal with it.
I was wondering - what fraction of people here agree with Holden's advice regarding donations, and his arguments? What fraction assumes there is a good chance he is essentially correct? What fraction finds it necessary to determine whenever Holden is essentially correct in his assessment, before working on counter argumentation, acknowledging that such investigation should be able to result in dissolution or suspension of SI?
It would seem to me, from the response, that the chosen course of action is to try to improve the presentation of the argument, rather than to try to verify truth values of the assertions (with the non-negligible likelihood of assertions being found false instead). This strikes me as very odd stance.
Ultimately: why SI seems certain that it has badly presented some valid reasoning, rather than tried to present some invalid reasoning?
edit: I am interested in knowing why people agree/disagree with Holden, and what likehood they give to him being essentially correct, rather than a number or a ratio (that would be subject to selection bias).