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Offbeat counter: You're assuming that this ontology that privileges "goals" over e.g. morality is correct. What if it's not? Are you extremely confident that you've carved up reality correctly? (Recall that EU maximizers haven't been shown to lead to AGI, and that many philosophers who have thought deeply about the matter hold meta-ethical views opposed to your apparent meta-ethics.) I.e., what if your above analysis is not even wrong?
I don't believe that goals are ontologically fundamental. I am reasoning (at a high level of abstraction) about the behavior of a physical system designed to pursue a goal. If I understood what you mean by "morality", I could reason about a physical system designed to use that and likely predict different behaviors than for the physical system designed to pursue a goal, but that doesn't change my point about what happens with goals.
I don't expect EU maximizers to lead to AGI. I expect EU maximizing AGIs, whatever has led to them, to be effective EU maximizers.
Sorry, I meant "ontology" in the information science sense, not the metaphysics sense; I simply meant that you're conceptually (not necessarily metaphysically) privileging goals. What if you're wrong to do that? I suppose I'm suggesting that carving out "goals" might be smuggling in conclusions that make you think universal convergence is unlikely. If you conceptually privileged rational morality instead, as many meta-ethicists do, then your conclusions might change, in which case it seems you'd have to be unjustifiably confident in your "goal"-centric conceptualization.
I think I am only "privileging" goals in a weak sense, since by talking about a goal driven agent, I do not deny the possibility of an agent built on anything else, including your "rational morality", though I don't know what that is.
Are you arguing that a goal driven agent is impossible? (Note that this is a stronger claim than it being wiser to build some other sort of agent, which would not contradict my reasoning about what a goal driven agent would do.)
(Yeah, the argument would have been something like, given a sufficiently rich and explanatory concept of "agent", goal-driven agents might not be possible --- or more precisely, they aren't agents insofar as they're making tradeoffs in favor of local homeostatic-like improvements as opposed to traditionally-rational, complex, normatively loaded decision policies. Or something like that.)