timtyler comments on General purpose intelligence: arguing the Orthogonality thesis - Less Wrong

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Comment author: timtyler 17 May 2012 01:25:05AM *  2 points [-]

I don't see why there are only two counter-theses in section 4. Or rather, it looks as though you want a too-strong claim - in order to criticise it.

Try a "partial convergence" thesis instead. For instance, the claim that goals that are the product of cultural or organic evolution tend to maximise entropy and feature universal instrumental values.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 17 May 2012 12:17:32PM 1 point [-]

Or rather, it looks as though you want a too-strong claim - in order to criticise it.

The incompleteness claim is weaker than the partial convergence claim.

Comment author: timtyler 17 May 2012 11:15:05PM 1 point [-]

Sure, but if you try harder with counter-theses you might reach a reasonable position that's neither very weak nor wrong.