private_messaging comments on General purpose intelligence: arguing the Orthogonality thesis - Less Wrong

20 Post author: Stuart_Armstrong 15 May 2012 10:23AM

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Comment author: ciphergoth 15 May 2012 06:05:02PM 1 point [-]

Right, and that's one example of a specific argument. Another is the Gödelian and self-defeating examples in the main article. But neither of these do anything to prop up the Goertzel-style argument of "a superintelligence won't tile the Universe with smiley faces, because that's a stupid thing to do".

Comment author: private_messaging 17 May 2012 10:22:48AM *  -1 points [-]

Well, Goertzel's argument is pretty much bulletproof-correct when it comes to learning algorithms like the ones he works at, where the goal is essentially set by training, alongside with human culture and human notion of stupid goal. I.e. the AI that reuses human culture as a foundation for superhuman intelligence.

Ultimately, orthogonality dissolves once you start being specific what intelligence we're talking of - assume that it has speed of light lag and is not physically very small, and it dissolves, assume that it is learning algorithm that gets to adult human level by absorbing human culture, and it dissolves, etc etc. The orthogonality thesis is only correct in the sense that being entirely ignorant of the specifics of what the 'intelligence' is you can't attribute any qualities to it, which is trivially correct.