CuSithBell comments on General purpose intelligence: arguing the Orthogonality thesis - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ciphergoth 17 May 2012 05:42:57AM 4 points [-]

Schmidthuber's definition of beauty is wrong. He says, roughly, that you're most pleased when after great effort you find a way to compress what was seemingly incompressible. If that were so, I could please you again and again by making up new AES keys with the first k bits random and the rest zero, and using them to generate and give you a few terabytes of random data. You'd have to brute force the key, at which point you'll have compressed down from terabytes to kilobytes. What beauty! Let's play the exact game again, with the exact same cipher but a different key, forever.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 11 June 2012 10:07:59PM 1 point [-]

Right. That said, wireheading, aka the grounding problem, is a huge unsolved philosophical problem, so I'm not sure Schmidhuber is obligated to answer wireheading objections to his theory.

Comment author: CuSithBell 11 June 2012 10:37:55PM 3 points [-]

But the theory fails because this fits it but isn't wireheading, right? It wouldn't actually be pleasing to play that game.

Comment author: wedrifid 11 June 2012 10:56:15PM *  3 points [-]

But the theory fails because this fits it but isn't wireheading, right? It wouldn't actually be pleasing to play that game.

I think you are right.

The two are errors that practically, with respect to hedonistic extremism, operate in opposing directions. They are similar in form in as much as they fit the abstract notion "undesirable outcomes due to lost purposes when choosing to optimize what turns out to be a poor metric for approximating actual preferences".

Comment author: Will_Newsome 11 June 2012 11:55:25PM 1 point [-]

Meh, yeah, maybe? Still seems like other, more substantive objections could be made.

Relatedly, I'm not entirely sure I buy Steve's logic. PRNGs might not be nearly as interesting as short mathematical descriptions of complex things, like Chaitin's omega. Arguably collecting as many bits of Chaitin's omega as possible, or developing similar maths, would in fact be interesting in a human sense. But at that point our models really break down for many reasons, so meh whatever.